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Post by clivedauthi on Nov 18, 2011 12:24:26 GMT -5
Hello my fellow Cats peeps, had a Poll Question / Discussion to present to you all today.
I was talking to an old Cats buddy whom has gone on to several different shards too test the waters.
The one Big thing they found was on Most shards there is a good Mix of Evil and Good characters.
My question is, is this true for Cats.
I have Always felt Cats, (more so since the Shadowclan orcs left) has fallen very heavily on the Good Guys side.
Was wondering if you felt the same, and your thoughts on why that is.
Ty for indulging me.
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Post by Aedon Durreah on Nov 18, 2011 14:05:26 GMT -5
I think the line between good on evil on cats has not bees so much obscured as erased. Playing the truly bad guy or the truly good does not seem to appeal to most.
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Post by Sage Aurora on Nov 18, 2011 21:35:10 GMT -5
I feel there is a dominate visible good presence because some of the evil folk are good at hiding who and what they are up to, or blend in well so that you don't see their intentions/machinations.
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Post by Aneirin on Nov 19, 2011 16:29:13 GMT -5
I never thought of Shadowclan as evil. In fact, they were one of the best "good" groups out there. They stood up for each other against adversity. They played rough, but when the chips were down, were loyal to a fault. They never lied (weren't smart enough) They never cheated (how can you when there are no rules?) They never played politics beyond "follow the guy who can clomp ya!"
The ideal good group!
Likewise, Aneirin thought he was a good guy as well. He would lie, cheat, steal, kill, fight, drink, etc... but he thought he did it all for a good cause, and thus it was worth it. His cause certainly got corrupted, but he never thought he lost sight of the fight for freedom against the Monarchy.
Similarly, Aedon is EEEEEVIL! Just because.
I don't play good or evil. All of my character have simply been people. Some do good, some are selfish, but they're neither good nor evil.
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Post by Aedon Durreah on Nov 19, 2011 20:00:53 GMT -5
We have Shadowclan on the server I am on in Lotro. It is so great to hear them RPing in the moors.
Yeah you wise Pirate, I think Aedon has a lot of Evil in him.
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Post by Aneirin on Nov 21, 2011 5:45:22 GMT -5
Now a serious follow up:
What makes a character good or evil?
My character-buiding specialty is with characters who are basically good, but follow evil masters (Think about Cale from Looking for Group) or characters who think they are good but do wicked things in the name of good (Aneirin). Which is why I hesitate to put an alignment on any of them. I see a lot of similar philosophies, especially in the Olympus (PGoH) area and Yew area. Most participants (at least when I played) couldn't really be put into a good/evil category, no matter how hard you tried to fit that peg into the hole.
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Post by Hunters Moon on Nov 21, 2011 21:18:59 GMT -5
The most accurate discription of my characters would fall into the "lawful neutral" range. They would not go out of their way to do harm,but if harm were visited unto them,it would change everything. As for my point of view of catskills rp. Too many private houses are used,and thus,too many times a "ward" is on the house that gives a very unbalanced power to control who can actually be "evil". It has been that way for far too long. Those that want to play evil are forced to be a nice guy around others or the house owner would say "you set off the ward" and kick you from the house. *finishes the post by singing the carebears theme song*
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Post by Rotep on Nov 21, 2011 22:10:09 GMT -5
I never thought of Shadowclan as evil. In fact, they were one of the best "good" groups out there. They stood up for each other against adversity. They played rough, but when the chips were down, were loyal to a fault. They never lied (weren't smart enough) They never cheated (how can you when there are no rules?) They never played politics beyond "follow the guy who can clomp ya!" The ideal good group! Likewise, Aneirin thought he was a good guy as well. He would lie, cheat, steal, kill, fight, drink, etc... but he thought he did it all for a good cause, and thus it was worth it. His cause certainly got corrupted, but he never thought he lost sight of the fight for freedom against the Monarchy. Similarly, Aedon is EEEEEVIL! Just because. I don't play good or evil. All of my character have simply been people. Some do good, some are selfish, but they're neither good nor evil. Couldn't say it better myself the real evil people are the people who Claim to be good and tried to spread their views. Scarst was good he valued freedom and truth. Rotep on the other hand would light stuff on fire, watch as horrible things were going to happen and just sit back and laugh unless he had a stake in what happened. But Aneirin's right The real evil people are the ones who say their good. That being said what prompted this poll any way and I'm not voting in it haha.
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Post by clivedauthi on Nov 22, 2011 0:17:03 GMT -5
That being said what prompted this poll any way and I'm not voting in it haha. The usual mixture of illegal contraband, free time and the love and polling. Further more, there has been a large drop in Pvp within the Rp community, and wanted to see what peoples opinion on the topic was now that people aren't swinging their swords and flamestriking each other. And to answer Aneirin (or attempt) I try not to take into account the characters motivations, since no one usually is in the mind set that they are being "evil" I chop it more down too - Did they murder people or save people - Did they start a plague or pillage a homestead this week - Did they remain faithful, or give into temptation - Did they forget to let the cat out this morning - Did they blackmail their neighbor or return the lost item I know it has lots of loopholes and not the best test of a Characters alignment, but helpful to get a quick ideal of a character imo.
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Post by Rotep on Nov 22, 2011 15:38:27 GMT -5
Considering there hadn't been any pvp for the last year and a half until the time I left not sure if that switched in the past 6 months or so haha.
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Post by Aedon Durreah on Nov 22, 2011 17:12:48 GMT -5
I hate you all and want to kill you all!!! Muwahahahhahah. *cough*
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Post by Va'lis on Nov 22, 2011 22:22:01 GMT -5
Val was chaotic neutral. Esidor is Lawful neutral. Tucker is Lawful Good.
But in a sense these are just tags we use to justify.
Good can be evil to some, and vice versa. Perspective.
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Post by Aneirin on Nov 23, 2011 6:30:51 GMT -5
The following information may not be current, but here is Catskills-as-a-whole as I saw it when I played: United Pirates - Greedy, selfish, obnoxious - evil tendencies PGoH - A big variety, mostly trying to play good with a few key exceptions Village of Aegis - Mostly harmless Freehold of Roses - Good, Neutral, Chaotic, but rarely if ever evil Solantavo Syndicate (hope I spelled it right) - I never had enough interaction with them to judge properly Vamp's Lair - Evil idea with characters who always acted good
Those, to me, were the key guilds for Catskills RP (though most others would leave UP off the list, we didn't visit others much without my supervision). I left Va'lis various guild's off since he changes a lot, but his assessment of himself is how I saw it too.
Many evil groups came and went after either finding no opposition or having opposition drop highlights for one reason or another. It's hard to create quality evil which fits into the Catskills view of things. (though they never went after UP as an enemy, which is a shame... we loved most of their styles. I remember fighting 1 on 4 against one such group, having a blast, then never seeing them again.)
Without a tangible evil, no fully good groups could possibly survive outside of PvM.
So as a whole, Catskills has more human interaction than many other shards, and less good vs. evil, which to me is part of the appeal.
Interaction and character development take priority over good or evil.
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Post by Aedon Durreah on Nov 23, 2011 13:57:28 GMT -5
Village of Aegis -Mostly Harmless...Love this assessment, and I think that is most fitting. The village as a whole was little more then a mildly bucolic back rods hamlet. But there was at times an undercurrent of turmoil within those charged with the care off the Glade.
I think Aegis was a lot more dangerous when the Knights of Yew were about, mostly due to the leadership and the aspirations of some of those in places of prominence.
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Post by Avalon on Nov 26, 2011 0:18:21 GMT -5
I cannot say that I am either good nor evil, but if push comes to shove, I shall remain true to my Charge. as for my Charge, I would daresay evil is the underlying current of her easy going demeanor.
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